Looting rules or lack of same!

[Inneksya]

Last night (Friday) I was with a mixed group in Scholomance. 10 people tried their luck getting something nice in Scholomance, when we reached Gandling nothing of greater value had dropped and people was begining to wonder if the place had been nerfed in some way? Bur as we killed the granmaster (Gandling) A lot dropped.

My question is:

A set item drops - one has all other from set but this particular part the other has none - what are loot rules?

An epic tailor pattern drops (it has no value as the things made from this pattern is BOP) - 1 tailor present is it his or do we all roll?

I went to bed with grief in mind, caused by the looting ;(

I hope you can help me "ease my pain" ;)

Inneksya

[Rabin]

Looting causes more arguments than anything else in this game :)

Kezz and I have both been in groups where we rolled 'correctly' for items (need/greed) and others in the party just rolled need on everything.

It's a pain in the backside tbh. There are no rules and everytime you try to come up with some, someone's greed gets the better of them and they justify why they rolled afterwards.

I was once in a party with a guy who waited until everyone else had selected greed for items that none of us could really use and then hit need so he got it.

Hell is other people, never forget it :tapedshut

[Davros]

One of the reasons why i never join pugs, i know if im in an instance with pl members that all drops will be handled fairly apart from the odd mistake that nearly all of us have made. :)

On the 2 things you mentioned, i think anyone who is the correct class for the set item and they haven't already got it shouild be allowed to roll for it whether they hav eother items in the set or not and the recipe should go to the person who has the skill that uses it ( slightly hard in a pug because how do you know they can use it).

If i ever did join a pug group then i would insist on all loot rules being set out on these types of items first or i just wouldn't go. On the question of need or greed, in a guild run im more than happy to use greed button on boe items but in a pug i would ask for all to roll need on boe to stop any nasty little ninjas rollin last.

[Shau]

What Dav said

[Argie]

I'm not sure how it works on recipes tbh, that's a bit of a tricky one. But usually in PUG's it seems to be:

Roll NEED on everything BoE.
Pass on everything BoP and set items, on which that class gets priority.

Rolling need on everything tends to prevent what Rabin had happened, someone 'gazumping' the greed roll, and if someone really needs it then they can speak up and will (in my limited experience) be given it by the winner.

PL groups are of course different. Not to derail the thread, but I would like some clarification on guild rules on set items though. Usually the class gets priority, but last night a hunter rolled and won a shaman set helm over a shaman who needed it. Is it the case that classes dont get priority on set items?

[Shau]

The event of an hunter rolling need on Elements is really weird. That should have been given to the shaman.
But it is also true that I often see shamans with beaststalker pieces on, so.
Anyway, "classX" set item should be always given to "classX" toons, if they don't have that item.

[Ellya]

Yep, PL (PvE side) does things slightly differently in that we roll GREED on BoE items.

This can sometimes cause confusion as PUG's tend to roll NEED. I've been caught out myself several times in PUG's, purely through force of habit.

I'm sure our Raid and Event Officers could clear up the thing about set items, but my experience is that set items are usually offered to the class they are intended for first. However, with cloth caster stuff this tends to get a little confusing as they basically all use the same stats, so they could all use each other's gear equally effectively.
(Having said that I was wearing the Druid set kilt for ages! It was SO embarassing, I felt like apologising to every druid I met :P )

The question of whether someone who has more items in a particular set should get priority or not was discussed last night (guild or officer chat, not sure) and I'm fairly sure that the general consensus was that it doesnt make any difference how many items in a set you have. Each person of that class has equal rights to roll.

And of course, if a recipe comes up and only one person in the group or raid could use it, then it's only good manners to allow that person to have it.

Unfortunately, in PUG's or joint raids, this sometimes means an item or recipe going out of our guild, but the priorities I've been taught to use are group or raid first, then guild.

Please dont take what I've written as gospel, these are purely my understanding of how we operate looting in our guild. It's not a guild edict, but I would be surprised if Drac or the other officers were to wildly disagree :)

I'd say the best thing in PUG's is to establish what looting procedures you're going to use at the start.

[Kezz]

I agree with what Hellya said :)

[Seriph]

I like to think that i can trust a fair percentage of the players on this server who are not PL, as i got most of my SC gear before i joined PL and it was always in a mixed group, sure i lost my fair share of loot, but i lost it to the luck of the draw, and theres no fair or unfairness about it. whether the guy who rolled on it needed it as a last bit as opposed to guy who had none is something between them, and if they full set guy was willing to give it a miss due to charity, then its between them tbh. as for BoP schemata, i think it should go to the tailor who can make it for himself, or if none are present, should be randomed. Dunno if its eased you :P but you can always remember the fact that you ALL went into the instance to get what you want as opposed to helping everyone, harsh as it may seem it is true of everyone who pays to play ;)